Comic 438 - Page 7

19th Feb 2018, 2:02 PM in Chapter 28: Pride and Power
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RMK 19th Feb 2018, 2:02 PM edit delete
Probably one of the more controversial bits of dialogue I'v ever written. For those of you thinking I wrote Goku out of character (and I use the Japanese version for inspiration in this series), I'd be happy to explain myself. Whether people realize it or not, Goku did grow as a character through the series. it's only in DBS that he regressed back to ignorant child mode.
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Rony 19th Feb 2018, 5:37 PM edit delete reply
see that's the goku we know
Guest 19th Feb 2018, 7:36 PM edit delete reply
Now this is what Goku's character is actually all about. Can he be selfish at times, yes! Is he Superman, no! But he's still has layers to his character that allows him to be a little bit of both.
Rod of stone 23rd Feb 2018, 10:10 AM edit delete reply
RMK, I don't understand what you say on your author note, can you expand? I feel like Goku would not perceive himself as a bad parent.
RMK 23rd Feb 2018, 10:29 AM edit delete reply
Sure, I can explain.

Perhaps I am looking to deeply into the matter but my thoughts were as follows:

As Dragonball went on, Goku displayed a tendency, little by little, to be more somber. He showed that, yes, he still wanted to live a care free life and have a good fight, but he also started to show awareness of the effects all these earth-shattering events were having on people he loved. This came to a climax when he refused to be resurrected and stated he felt responsible for all the bad guys who kept coming to earth. Even when he came back to life for a day in the Buu saga, he still had a somewhat serious tone to him.

My own line of thinking added to this. Let's say Goku has a child's mindset and maturity all the time, even to the extreme charicature of this. But he was married and had a son. ChiChi is a regularly frustrated wife and would complain to Goku. For comedy's sake, we would often see Goku cower and run away to escape ChiChi's lectures, just like a kid would. However, words like that stick with a kid, even when he knows he's being bad. And with human psychology, nothing brings those words back to mind more than separation. When people are in hard times or on a path that they're not sure is the right one, they question everything they did in the past. Often, they remember things that they wish they had done better and think if they had been better, they wouldn't be where they are now. Pain reminds us of mistakes.

At this point in the story, Goku does not hold out hope to be wished back to life. He is literally standing in Hell. He is separated from his wife and family, and even though he gets to fight all day, we know he loves them. His actions and ChiChi's words would be recalled at times when he would miss them. The reality of Goku's choice and a lifetime of separation would make anyone think-- even a child. So Goku's speech is an extension of the consequence of that choice.

It's really a choice we all have to make when faced with the burden of responsibility. We can avoid it and try to hold onto our childhood forever, but lose something grand. Or we can embrace the burden and allow it to change us but lose that perception of freedom. In a way, being at the Grand Kai's planet gives him everything he's ever wanted, but he lost his family.
rod of stone 24th Feb 2018, 9:50 AM edit delete reply
I see now, thanks for your explanation.

Indeeed, Goku has a lot of potential as a character, too bad that Toriyama misused him, him and the rest of the Z warriors.
Gokitalo 26th Feb 2018, 9:54 AM edit delete reply
That explanation was superb!

I definitely agree that Goku matured as Dragon Ball (Z) progressed-- I always remember how in the Buu Saga, his main reason for not defeating Buu on Earth when fighting as a Super Saiyan 3 was because he thought it was better to teach the younger generation to deal with threats like Buu on their own (since Goku didn't know at that point he'd be brought back by the Elder Supreme Kai/Kaioshin).
Guestman 12th Apr 2018, 12:43 PM edit delete reply
He does not do Character Developement Goku would never grow so this is too out of character. If Akira Toriyama did do real character development things would be so different but he said that he does not care for that stuff
Guest 13th Aug 2018, 11:34 PM edit delete reply
What's the point of a long running series focused on a cast of characters if there is no change or development of that cast?
RMK 14th Aug 2018, 10:58 AM edit delete reply
The reality of it is, whether intended or not, the cast did grow as characters- every single one of them. Vegeta stopped being a murdering jackass, Piccolo became a mentor father-figure, Krillin turned into a respectable guy instead of a perv, Tenshinhan developed compassion, etc etc etc
MrPerson0 20th Apr 2019, 8:44 PM edit delete reply
People who think Goku is a bad parent should look at this:

Also, people who think Goku regressed in Super, need to realize that DBZ Goku was completely ok with a tournament that decided the fate of the Earth (Cell Games) and found it exciting:
NTD 16th Jan 2020, 4:07 AM edit delete reply
Real GokuĀ“s here!
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